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Listening to a Mother’s Horror with US Marshals: Perpetual Vicarious Trauma
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Listening to a Mother’s Horror with US Marshals: Perpetual Vicarious Trauma

July 2, on KYAQ.org, 91,7 6 PM PST

Listening to a Mother’s Horror with US Marshals: Perpetual Vicarious Trauma

Slave patrols, Texas Rangers, Border Patrol, ATF, Sheriff Departments, good cop/bad cops, unlimited immunity, Thin Blue Line, SWAT, Military Hardware, Israeli Occupation Forces trainings

by Paul Haeder / June 7th, 2025

The U.S. Marshals always get their kill shot — and a young man, young woman, and two five-year-old children swarmed by SOG, special operations group/gang, in Michigan, and the man bleeds out, the kids are in the house traumatized, and the mother is swarmed in the town getting groceries.

I expected to get deep into this Oregon organization’s amazing work, Freedom Farms, working with released inmates to heal, to get back into just plain normal breathing health, working the land, crops, harvests.

Lindsey McNab I met in Ashland, at a farmer’s market, May 2025, and it was just by chance I was there and headed over to the market. Sean was there as well as Lindsey.

This shit works, plying skin to earth, feeding seeds and seedlings, watching lettuce, asparagus, bok choy, potatoes, et al, grow. Yoga and listening circles, sun, rain, moles, dogs, chickens … Care Goddamn People.

Go see the images here at their website: Through the Lens of Giving: Freedom Farms in Pictures

Now, I prepped today’s hour interview by reading a story or two on Freedom Farms and Lindsey: KTVZ21

Participants like Lindsey McNab are proof of the program’s impact. Just six months ago, McNab was behind bars. Now, she spends her days tending to bok choy, turnips, and asparagus, work that she says is helping her find a new sense of purpose.

“I do struggle on a daily basis with[thinking] ‘oh my gosh, I lost 16 months, Like, what do I need to do to make up for that?’ And there isn’t really anything I can do.” McNab said. “Working in a setting like this and this type of work in general forces you and teaches you to be more present.”

McNab said her time in prison offered few moments of peace or even daylight.

“The jail where I was at, we didn’t really even get to see outside. There were no windows and things,” she said. “So that in and of itself creates a lot of emotional, mental anxiety and stress.”

She did get reintroduced to farming through a prison garden program, a rare but meaningful opportunity that helped her cope.

Upon release, she found Freedom Farms, a sanctuary for former inmates ready to rebuild their lives.

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But the reality of the Gestapo Criminal injustice system hit us early into the interview for my weekly radio show, Finding Fringe, to air July 2, KYAQ.org, 6 pm PST:

A story about Giovanni and his daughter.

Google the story, with Giovanni McNab and Lindsey and Michigan, and you get the warped story of the cops, the deputies, the overreach that ended up in the death of the young father Giovanni while his two children were inside the cabin as he bled out from a chest wound from a SWAT snipe weapon.

Lindsey was off the property getting groceries, and she was swarmed by U.S. Marshals and their cadre of police. She had no idea there were warrants out for their arrest, and alas, she had no idea what was happening to her two children and her husband.

Here, from Jacob, Giovanni’s brother: August 10, 2023. Jacob McNab:

Giovanni McNab was a hero. He died last night protecting his daughter Hanna Joy McNab. He stood up against insurmountable odds, probably knowing full well that he would not come out of it alive. I am glad no law enforcement lost their lives in the standoff, they were just doing their duty. But my brother was doing his duty, the most sacred duty — a father protecting his child.

This is what Hanna told my brother, Gio, and his new wife Lindsey McNab. Hanna’s mother, Natalie Jones, and her boyfriend, Cory Lutzen (a convicted felon for abuse of an 18-month baby) physically, emotionally, mentally, and sexually abused Hanna. This was recurring abuse. Hanna’s forensic interview is currently on file at Kid’s Harbor but its release has been blocked by law enforcement because it may “endanger the child”… My brother did everything right by going through our country’s legal system, but the system in Missouri must work differently than other places. The most damning evidence to protect my niece, and my family were blocked by the judge. He was treated with hostility by all those who were supposed to protect children.

When he refused to give her up to her abusers, a federal parental kidnapping charge was placed on him and his wife, Lindsey.

Lindsey was arrested when she was out, probably getting groceries. Gio was killed in a standoff with police where a marshal was also injured but is in stable condition.

Hanna is currently being given back to the very people she herself named as her abusers.

I beg someone if you can do anything, please help me get custody of her. If you ask anyone about me, they will vouch for my character and that I will give her the love and care she needs. My wife and I will be able to provide her security and a future. Please don’t let my brother die in vain.

Please follow and share our page Save Hanna McNab.

Here’s my interview June 4, 2025 of Lindsey. Hold onto your emotional seats. KYAQ.org will air it July 2, Finding Fringe: Voices from the Edge.

Listen here.

Yeah, what would you do, uh, if your baby was raped by your ex-wife’s boyfriend?

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Here, a post on the Facebook pages around this case:

Stop leaving your kids with them.

Stop leaving your children with your boyfriends you barely know.

Stop letting your family members you don’t entirely trust watch them because it’s free.

If you have a gut feeling about someone who doesn’t sit right with you when it comes to your child, cut all ties with this person.

If your little one comes to you and says I don’t want to stay with a particular person …. do me a favor and listen to them.

~ Cody Bret

And ALWAYS believe them!! I myself would rather believe them and be wrong, than call them a liar and be wrong.

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Here’s one of the family members, a dog, the pigs shot: “This is Rigor. He also died protecting Hanna. Please show him love. My brother did not go to heaven alone.”

Ahh, the Show Me State:

Langston Hughes, Tennessee Williams, T.S. Eliot, Kate Chopin and Maya Angelou also hailed from the “show me” state. Edward Michael Harrington Jr. was an American democratic socialist. As a writer, he was best known as the author of The Other America. He was from the show me state too.

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